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July 11, 2019

I apologize for forgetting the site update last week.  The only place we've been recently was Argentina Mine to see if there was any earthquake damage.  Since it's a fairly deep mine and further south, we thought there would be some significant damage.  There was none.  There didn't appear to be a single stone out of place.  Any pieces that were on the ground had a layer of dust and rat poop that let us know it was an old occurence.  Since these recent earthquakes were large, if you do venture underground, use an abundance of caution.


We still have an evening trail event coming up next month.  It's a nice ride through Lovell Summit Peak Road which brings us high in elevation and into the tree line.  We just ran it recently and it's an easy trail.  Any high clearance vehicle can complete it.  Details are here.


June 27, 2019

A new event has been scheduled for August 16, 2019.  That date is a Friday, but this will be an evening event to escape the heat which will be a great way to end your work week.  Our trail will run along Lovell Summit Road which begins about halfway between Vegas and Pahrump.  Details for that event can be found on the front page or here.  Please, send me an email if you plan on attending.


It happened again!  A few times a year, someone sends me an email saying they found something paranormal in one of our image galleries.  Rather than rehash the lengthy explanation of these "ghosts", I've already explained the history of these hidden objects here.   These hidden objects are scattered within random mine galleries, but if you have no reason or desire to look through random galleries, every event gallery has multiple hidden objects throughout.


We were out recently and came across a guy blasting the bass from his stereo which echoed throughout the valley.  Even though he saw others and knew he wasn't alone,  he still felt that was acceptable behavior.  I guess, to some people,  "public land" means they can do whatever they want.  People like that will never get it, but it also occurred to us that some people aren't aware of some of the more common rules of trail etiquette.  For that reason, a new entry has been added to the Random Articles section about Trail Etiquette.


June 20, 2019

Super busy working and barely have enough time for this update.  Pictures from Saturdays trip to Nelson, NV are now up.   


June 13, 2019

Last call for Saturdays trip to Nelson, Nevada.  Make sure you read the event details for any recent changes.  Specifically, our meeting location which has not changed since announced, but is not at our usual meeting spot.  


Expect the weather in Nelson this weekend to be in the high 90's / low 100's.  Double check that your vehicles cooling system is working properly.  We know unexpected things happen, but if your vehicle has known issues or is unreliable, it's best not to risk a break down so far from home.  


Hot weather vehicle checklist:

Inspect for tire pressure, cracks, and/or splits

Oil, transmission, power steering, brake, differential, and coolant fluid levels

Inspect coolant hoses for cracks, rot, and loose or broken clamps

Inspect mechanical and electric fans for proper engagement and tension

Inspect water pump for signs of leaking


Our next scheduled event isn't until October when the weather will be much nicer.  Between this event and that, we'll likely have another night meeting or two to escape the heat.


June 6, 2019

If you plan on joining us for the Nelson event on the 15th of this month, please send an email.  I'm trying to finalize a route and knowing the amount of vehicles and types will help better decide that route.  


New images have been added to the Chiquita Mine gallery in the Goodsprings, NV directory.  We were just wandering in the area and stopped to see what was new.  Like most things in the area, the trail is much worse after the rainy season, but is otherwise the same.


May 30, 2019

Pictures from Saturday's day around Potosi Mountain are now available and in the Completed Events directory.  If you missed this one, it wasn't one of our regularly scheduled events and only posted with a couple days advanced notice.  Sorry about the short notice, but I didn't connect Memorial Day with my regular days off.  


Several of you have mentioned that my emails have been marked by your email servers as junk and filtered to your junk folders or blocked and deleted entirely.  This site does not and has never sold anything.  My email signature does not contain links or a phone number, so I'm not entirely certain what some email servers interpret as junk.  

It's possible that just having an address that is not the typical; gmail, hotmail, outlook type address is enough to block it from email servers.  In that instance, the only option is to whitelist my email address.  A "whitelist" is a list of trusted sites or email addresses that are known to be safe.  Adding my "@VegasUnderworld" email address to your whitelist should allow you to receive my emails.  

The process to add to  your  email whitelist varies from email server to server, but the process is similar within your email settings.  The whitelisting process for the more common email servers can be found here.  


You may have noticed on the sites front page that the December Cookout event has been suspended.  We will likely use that scheduled time off to travel out of state.  There's a good chance we won't be using all of that time off and can still meet up for something, but I feel it would be better to just reschedule the cookout to the previously scheduled event on Saturday October 19, 2019.  A location for that Cookout event has not been finalized.  If anyone knows of a good, fairly local spot for a cookout, please send me the details.


In the meantime, we still have a trip to Nelson in a couple weeks on the 15th of next month.  


May 23, 2019

New images have been added to the Mountain Queen Mine and Silver Gem Mine galleries in the Goodsprings, NV directory.  


Because of extreme recent rains, the wash entry leading to those mines  has deepened and narrowed making it impassable to most vehicles without risk of tire or body damage.  Even if you've safely passed into that valley just last year, you'll probably want to get out and walk it first to be sure.  


Had I known Monday was Memorial Day, I would have arranged something.  Sorry for the short notice, but if you have this coming Monday off and feel like getting out and wandering around the mountains, send an email


May 16, 2019

In 2007, the BLM initiated a feasibility study and proposed amendments to the RMP (Resource Management Plan) which would affect; recreation, resource, and land use.  For almost 10 years, numerous studies and expert analysis was used to create and propose 3 possible outcomes to the RMP.  Those RMP  changes to public land use would range from zero acres to in excess of 1-million acres. 


In early 2017,  a comment period to send email and a series of public meetings were held for the public to voice their opinions and concerns.  More than a few of the public meetings were announced or changed with short notice.  Some were held mid-week and mid-day with short notice.   I know the email I sent wasn't even opened or read.  Whether those short notice changes were intentional or not, many felt a decision was already made and the public hearings were irrelevant.  I don't believe anyone thought no changes to the RMP was ever an option.


I was guessing that the result would be somewhere around half of the maximum. So, around 500,000 acres would be affected.  Since we use these trails recreationally,  it was my guess that many trails within that 500,000 acres would be closed to OHV (Off Highway Vehicle) traffic.  With the exception of new hiking or equestrian trails, we aren't seeing any new OHV trails being created, so that would potentially be a significant loss of public access.  


Tomorrow (Friday), an official "Notice of Termination" will be entered into the Federal Registry.  That means that the RMP that first began over a decade ago is now a dead program.  No mass changes to our public lands is coming.  Any future changes made to local public lands will be decided case by case and by the local offices.  If you've headed south on I-15, you may have noticed the land clearing on the right between Jean and Primm for the Nevada Solar Project.  That land was set aside as part of the RMP.  That project is dead too.  


How you feel about this decision will depend on your perspective.  I'm just happy these trails will still be available to explore.  


Weekly reminder about our Nelson trip next month.  Details are in the link.

Send me an email if you're going, please.


May 9, 2019

This past Tuesday, we had our first dinner as a group that was not out in the mountains somewhere.  It was good to see everyone and socialize between the outdoor events.  I think it's something we should do more often.  No pictures were taken at this dinner.  I think most have seen the inside of a Denny's before anyway.


It was also suggested and decided that our event next month will be to Nelson, Nevada.  It seemed like a great idea over dinner, but after a little thought, Nelson in June is brutal.  Expect the high temperature for that day to hover around 100 degrees.  Still, a decision was made and, unless another group decision is made to change plans, that's where we're headed next month.  A good portion of this trail will be in first gear, in sand, and uphill which can really test a vehicles endurance.  Make sure your vehicles cooling and air conditioning system is working well.  


Details for that scheduled event can be found here.


I'm aware that some images have disappeared from galleries.  I'm not sure what happened, but I've been slowly rebuilding the image database beginning with the Completed Events Directory.  This site has a lot of images and galleries.  Rebuilding all of them will take some time, so please be patient.


May 2, 2019

More excuses for the lack of updates:  We haven't been anywhere interesting lately, I've been super busy, and I've been super lazy.  We do have something planned for next week.  Nothing outdoors.  Just meeting for dinner at a restaurant on Tuesday the 7th.  If you've been to a recent event, you should have received an email.  If you haven't been to one recently or at all and would still like to meet up for dinner and meet everyone, send me an email and I'll return one with details.  


April 11, 2019

Pictures from Saturdays Bitter Springs Trail are now up in the Completed Events Directory  .  Working at the moment, but wanted to quickly get the pictures and update out.  Enjoy!


April 4, 2019

Ok, so the plan was to take my time swapping over the parts from the old Jeep to the new(er) Jeep.  The wife was telling me that being in a stock Jeep would force me to focus on my off-road driving and slow down.  Since slowing down was not a serious option, I went ahead and swapped the entire suspension over, but took my time.  1st day, I tore down the rear suspension.  2nd day, I installed it on the new Jeep.  3rd day, tore down the front suspension.  4th day installed front suspension.


My plan today was to get electronics, including the amateur radio swapped over.  I started on it, but ran out of energy to finish the job.  Maybe I'll get around to that before Saturday, but it's not looking like it.  Rather than drill holes in the trim like I did with the previous Jeep, I'm working on building some proper brackets.  Since I got the amateur radio, it's always been on the stereo has been on less than less, until finally, not at all.  Driving around without any background noise takes some getting used to.


Final notice for Bittier Springs Trail this coming Saturday April 6, 2019.   It's  probably been a few months since we've been off-road and we really need this day.  Details are in the link.  See everyone there.


March 28, 2018

You guys would not believe all the trouble the Jeep has been giving me this year.  Having a quick look back, I don't think a month has gone by in a very long time that something didn't break.  It got to the point that I lost so much confidence in its reliability that I stopped going to the mountains or just leave it running the whole time out there because I was afraid it wouldn't restart.  


I just replaced the entire suspension again in December and since then, I've replaced the PCM twice and every sensor.  By "every sensor" I mean just that.   I think we've put close to or over $3000 in parts into it the last few months and it's still not running right.  At this point, the diagnostic trouble codes are so random, I think the problem is electrical and likely a bad wiring harness.  Even if it did run the way I need it to run, there's still that confidence issue.  I don't know that I'll ever regain confidence in it.


So, what do I do with a busted vehicle with that much time and money invested into a repair?  I wouldn't feel right selling it to someone.  Even with full disclosure I don't want to be that guy who sells a vehicle to someone knowing I don't even trust it.  I could trade it in for less than I just spent in parts or I could sell it to a salvage yard for even less.


Here's what I did instead.  I bought the exact same year and model Jeep.  Everything is the same except it's a different color and it has 100,000 miles less than the old one.  Now, the plan is to just park the old one in the back yard, turn in the plates, and cancel the insurance.  I'll swap the tires, wheels, and suspension over to the new Jeep soon.  Then I'll just pick parts from it as needed.  I'd like to do the suspension swap soon, but I think I'll take my time and not rush.


We still have that Bitter Springs Trail run coming up on Saturday, the 6th of April.  It's not a difficult trail, so I think we'll be fine in a stock Jeep.  It should be a good reminder to focus on the trail.  As usual, we don't have an attendee head count and won't know until we arrive.  We won't have too many of these nice days left.  We hope to see you there.  


March 14, 2019

It always seems like I'm apologizing  for something here.  Sorry for not having a real update in a while.  Just when I thought I got all my Jeep issues sorted,  something else goes wrong.  I've done as much as I can and have replaced every part that can possibly be related to my issue.  At this point,  I believe my issue has to be a wiring issue.  I have neither the skills or patience to chase down that problem and have delivered it to the pros to figure out.


The Jeep works, but not well enough for me to have confidence in it off-road which is why I haven't had any good content to share lately.  If anyone has anything they'd like to share, I don't mind adding it to the site.  


We still have that Bitter Springs Trail event coming up on Saturday April 6.  I'd like to have the Jeep running at least a week without issues before we attempt a long trail like that, but no matter what, that event will continue as scheduled.  We still have dates beyond that scheduled, but no destinations.  If you'd like to suggest a destination for a future event, please send it my way.


​​February 21, 2019

Once again, I have to apologize for the short notice for Saturdays event.  I know many in this town don't have regular weekends off and a week isn't enough time for many to prepare and it showed in attendance.  It was a small group, but I do tend to enjoy the smaller, more personal events more.  I've posted up event dates for all of 2019 on the main page.  We'll probably toss in some night events in the summer months that aren't listed.  Hopefully, we'll all get to spend a little more time with each other this year.


Many of you have been with this site since the beginning.  Those of you will remember when we had an active forum.  Unfortunately, because of software changes and the costs associated, the forum had to go away. 


If you have an excess of time, reading these should get your caught up on personalities:

Frankenthread

Unexplained

Gossip

Moon Landings


The forum is the feature of this site I miss most.  Recently, longtime friend of the site, Ken, asked for an update of our old forum buddies.  I've kept in contact with most and here's the latest:


Carolinda was as sweet a person as you'd ever meet, but did have a reputation as being the "Earthy" type.  She now lives in Phoenix closer to family.  Now that her sons are older and need her less,  she's restarted a career with a non-profit health organization.  After more reliable research, all of her children are now fully vaccinated. 


Denise and Blake now live in San Diego where Blake is an instructor for one of the countries largest defense contractors.  He's been missing the excitement of war and has wanted to return over the years, but they've since welcomed a daughter.  They've decided that his family needs him more and he's agreed to stay local.  He now trains returning Veterans in new careers in Executive Protection.


Molly is one who's gone missing.  It's been about a year since I've last heard from her.  Last I knew, she purchased some land in Alaska and was working as a contractor for a few resource companies in Alaska and Canada.  She also mentioned briefly that she was considering contracting for a Chinese mining company.  If she contracted for a Chinese company, she could be anywhere in the world.  I have to admit, and I think many will, that I was a little jealous of her wandering lifestyle.  I know friends often lose contact with distance and my hope is she's just on one of her extended adventures.


Morgan has it in her head that Molly was either eaten by a bear or married one.  She's even made up a back-story that her bear husband is the jealous type that reads her emails and texts and won't her talk to guys.  Morgan is still living in Maryland, but spending some of her work month in Mississippi.  She can't decide which she hates more.  Since moving to Maryland, her car was stolen and recovered once.  Her bike and her replacement bikes were stolen.  Her apartment was broken into and lost everything including clothes.  She didn't have renters insurance and had to start all over.  She now lives in a gated community where she thought she would be safer, but now lives next door to a registered sex offender.  


I'm sure I've made the announcement that our friend Dozer Dave passed a few years ago.  His wife and daughters are well.  His eldest daughter is now a Sophomore at UNLV and is studying to be a Chemist.  Keeping with her family tradition of mining, she hopes to use her education in the lithium mining sector.


I always felt like Andy was a pet of the group.  Like an angry stray dog.  You know you shouldn't feed it, but you do and it stays.  It's still an angry dog, but loyal to you.  His first introduction to this group was threatening the life of another forum member (Subaru Stanley) which lead to a friendship with Blake,  a reconnection with fellow Veterans, a job working for Dozer Dave, and a career in mining with the help of Molly.   Andy is in his late 20's and recently married a woman in her late 50's.  When he told me about his marriage, I joked that she's old enough to be his mother and he says, "She's old enough to be my mom, but she is yours.".  


Those are all of the updates of those lost after the closing of the forum.  I'm sure I'm missing some, but I'll have to review emails.  If I come across more updates,  I'll be sure to share them.  If you were part of the group and would like to share your own updates, feel free to email and I'll pass along any words you'd like to share. 


Almost forgot this.  We had an event to Lucy Grey on Saturday.  Pictures are here.


February 16, 2019

Very late last minute call for today's Lucy Grey event.  If you want to join us, you better leave soon.  We depart at 9:00 AM.  Details are here.


February 14, 2019

Happy Valentines Day, everyone!  Hopefully, everyone has someone they want to spend the day with.  Like most holidays, this is just another day for us.  We're probably both working late again, so we don't even have dinner plans and will just wing it like most nights.  


We do have another event coming up this weekend.  We're headed to Lucy Grey Mine just north of the California border. If there is an interest and time permitting,  you can stop to shoot along our return route.  Since this will be a long trail in and out, it's doubtful many will want to make another stop once we begin the long trail home and shooting will not be part of our scheduled stops.  If you still feel like shooting, please wait until we're well north of the border.  Keep in mind that we will briefly cross into California and California firearm transportation laws apply.  Details on the event can be found here.  


I already know that quite a few regulars won't be able to meet this time because of short notice or prior engagements.  Short notice seems to be the most common reason people can't attend these events and that's mostly my fault.  To help make planning these events a little easier, I've posted up most of the event dates through to the end of the year on the main page.  In addition to the event planned this coming Saturday, the following dates have been confirmed:


April 6, 2019.  Saturday.  Bitter Springs Trail.
June 15, 2019.  Saturday.  Date confirmed, but no destination.
December 7, 2019.  Saturday.  Date confirmed, but no destination.


We'll likely throw in some evening events when it's too hot to be out during the day.  The next event scheduled on April 6, 2019 has been finalized for Bitter Springs Trail.  A 30 mile long scenic trail with opportunities for mineral collection.  Specifically, Pink Agate.   No other destinations are confirmed, so if there's anywhere you'd like to suggest or revisit, please send an email.  Also, if anyone else would like to lead a day out, I have no problem following.  


February 7, 2019

We have an event scheduled on Saturday February 16, 2019.  Emails have been sent to all regulars and those with email contact within the last few months. If you feel you should have received this email, please check your SPAM folder.  Our destination is Lucy Grey Mine just north of the California/Nevada border.  A large portion of the trail is through a wash with difficulty varying by the amount of rain received.  This has been an unusually rainy season and we expect the trail to be less than comfortable and possibly technical.  Details are here.


It has been confirmed that land owners and mine claim holders have been notified to  make abandoned mines "safe".  The mines closest to the Goodsprings Trail project were sealed over a year ago, so we were hoping only those mines closest to the trail project will be affected, but that does not appear to be so.  


Hoodoo Mine is on public land over 10 miles away and we found it to be recently closed.  It's unlikely that this closure is in response to the Goodsprings Trail Project and just part of the Abandoned Mine Lands closure directive and budget.  Sooner or later, they'll all be made "safe", so see them while you can.  New images have been added to the Hoodoo Mine gallery in the Goodsprings, NV directory.  


January 31, 2019

The images from Friday nights event are now up and have also been added to the completed events directory.  Sorry a few of you were unaware of Fridays event.  Notice was short, but I posted up details as soon as they were confirmed.  Emails were sent to everyone who has attended an event in the last year and everyone who's been in email contact with me in the last six months.  If that describes you and you didn't receive an email, check your email spam filters.  If set too high, some email hosts will reject emails that do not originate from the common email clients like: gmail, hotmail,  and AOL.  


Currently, we have no new events scheduled.  


January 24, 2019

We'll be meeting in the mountains tomorrow (Friday) night.  If you'd like to join us, all are welcome.  Details are here.  The meeting spot was a surface mine operation.  There will be no underground opportunities. This is strictly a social event.  We'll have a table set up for snacks.  Please, bring something to add to the table and bring your own chairs.


If you have any spare lumber you'd like to add to the fire, feel free to bring it but keep in mind we can't leave until the fire is completely out.  We were out there earlier this week and gathered wood on site.  There should be enough to supply a modest fire for a few hours.  The temperature Friday night is expected to be in the mid-30's with 7 MPH winds, so maybe we need a little more.  


January 17, 2019
An explanation of last weeks update:  I didn't have anything to add and was going to skip the update.  Russ sent an email reminding me to give a site update, so I posted; "Russ is the only one who reads this.".  Then, I received a few more emails and texts from others reminding me they also look for updates.  As I received those contacts, I added more names.  


A new hiking, bicycle, and equestrian trail project has begun directly to the Northwest and Southeast of Goodspring, Nevada.  The source literature makes no mention of OHV (Off-Highway Vehicle) traffic, so I'm uncertain if that means the trails will remain open to OHV travel or if the designation as "hiking, bicycle, and equestrian"  will exclude motor vehicles as we've seen along trails to the North along Cottonwood Pass.  You can find a PDF link to the most recent project report here.  A map of the affected area and proposed trail routes can be found on page 9 of that document.  


If the project adheres to the proposed map, most of us won't notice changes unless they restrict access to the trails.  Mines in the proposed area were backfilled years ago.  The only open mine nearby is the Middlesex Mine, but access to that valley is limited to customers of Shoot Las Vegas.


We have an evening social event scheduled on Friday, January 25th.  Details are here

January 10, 2019

Russ (and Ken, Mike, Chris, Jeremy, Arnold, Dana, Ben, Caleb,  Paul,  Roger, Mohammed,  Tracy) are the only the ones who read this.  


January 3, 2019

Our Jeep is now healthy again.  It's looking like it had multiple problems. Each repair made some improvements, but after replacing the Power Control Module,  everything came together again.  We regained some lost power and about 3-4 miles per gallon.  Now the only known issue with the Jeep is the Tire Pressure Monitor light and a small hole I found in the muffler.  When I changed wheels, I never added TPM sensors, so that light will forever be on and small muffler hole is an easy repair.  Next time we meet up, will someone please remind me to fix that hole?  I'm sure I'll keep ignoring it.


With as many issues as we've been having with the Jeep, we probably should have waited to get offroad until we were sure all the bugs were fixed, but we got out the very next day.  Not the safest or smartest thing to do, but we were tired of being stuck in town.  Entertainment  Capital of the World and we were bored.  We stayed fairly close and made sure we were well within cell and radio service along Cottonwood Pass.


New images have been added to the Ninety Nine Mine and Cabin gallery in the Goodsprings, NV directory.  A few months ago when these Jeep issues began, that's where we were headed, but never reached it.  Not the smartest way or place to test a vehicle, but even though months have passed,  that route still felt incomplete.  The trail there is so much worse than it was just a few months ago.  If you enjoy an uncomfortable trail, head on over.  Otherwise, you may want to wait a few months for the trail to naturally settle.


I'm also looking ahead and trying to narrow down some dates for 2019 events and possibly an overnight camping trip.  If any of you have any date requests or would like to go, but have date restrictions, please email them and we'll try to work around everyone's schedule if we can.  Happy New Year, everyone!